Showing posts with label stupid math. Show all posts
Showing posts with label stupid math. Show all posts

Wednesday, September 11, 2024

Simple Firearms

 The concern about adding guns to d&d is that they tend to change the game the same way guns changed combat in real life; it's even more deadly than it was before and heavy armor is less useful. Combat skill is a little less useful as anyone can point and pull a trigger and kill.

I see these effects as reinforcing what makes old school d&d fun - deadly, unpredictable combat, focus on diegetic problem solving rather than relying on stats and abilities, weighing risk/reward before getting involved in combat, with the default being to avoid a fair fight at all costs.


There's lots of things to talk about when it comes to how to integrate firearms into your campaign, but I'm not doing that today. Instead I'm going to offer simple mechanics for handling firearms in the game. We can talk about the intricacies another time.


Primitive firearms

These include all ancient or early black powder guns, mini-canons, arquebuses, flintlocks, muskets, blunderbusses, and cap-and-powder pistols. These are probably the ones most refs will be willing to include because their primitive nature offers a fair number of counterbalancing drawbacks.


Looks like 4d6 damage to me.


First, these things take a long time to load. The kind of muskets used during the revolutionary war could get 2, maybe 3, shots off per minute, if you knew what you were doing. At 20 seconds reload time per shot that's about three rounds to reload, if you're using 6-second combat rounds. During that time you have to be standing still like a doofus.

As you can see in the above gif from Princess Mononoke, Lady Eboshi has peasant women busy loading rifles in preparation to hand to someone else to shoot. This is a good use of unskilled henchmen, like porters or torchbearers, and seems like something clever players might come up with to avoid the drawback of spending several rounds reloading to get one shot.

another alternative is what Blackbeard the pirate was famous for. Having a bunch of wheellock pistols lit in holsters all over your body. Just draw and fire. In WWN you can have half your strength score in readied items on your body. Leaving a slot for a melee weapon that gives the average player maybe 4-5 pistol shots. 

Difference between Firearms

The main difference between different styles of primitive firearms is power, accuracy, reload time, and how susceptible the weapon is to being ruined by water. 

First: water. If the gun gets wet it's ruined. In Princess Mononoke there's a scene where Lady Eboshi and her men fight off some giant wolves in a storm. They have the weapons wrapped in waxed/lacquered paper and large umbrellas to protect them from the elements. I'd rule that any steps like these would be effective. Maybe if the non-combatants holding the paper failed morale and fled the weapons would be ruined. Ruined could mean anything from the black powder being soaked, to the weapons needing to be cleaned or even taken apart in a safe, dry location.

As for Power, this really depends on your campaign. Compare to similar in-game effects. To my thinking d6 represents the ability of a weapon to kill a man in one blow - the average HD being a d6 (OD&D rules). Somebody 

For pistols I'd do 2d6 damage. Rifles are 3d6. Really heavy duty stuff is more, maybe 4, 5, or even 6d6 for stuff as powerful as a fireball spell: like mortars or cannons.

Of course, in real life people often don't die from a single gunshot wound, especially if it doesn't hit any vital organs. If healing magic is prevalent in your campaign you might even assume anybody who survives the combat is likely to make a full recovery. Some of your own guess work is required here to see what works for you and your players. 

Then there comes the problem of armor. Anyone familiar with the history of firearms is aware of the arms race between firearms and armor until the point at which it made more sense just to get rid of the armor all together. In world war 1 they started experimenting with metal plates woven into gambesons again, and eventually to modern times there are effective armors against firearm.

In medieval times plate armor was "proofed" against firearms. That means that the armor maker would shoot the armor with a firearm at a certain distance after it had been completed "proving" that it was capable of deflecting a bullet at such and such distance. Of course the average soldier couldn't afford such state-of-the-art fully articulated battle plate, but they could probably afford a steel cuirasse and helm which would be proofed the same way.

Shock Damage from WWN is pretty cool, but I don't like the fuss of implementing specific shock ratings and minimum damage values for each weapon and armor. 

Instead we'll split them into basic categories. 

Firearms come in Light (2d6) Heavy (3d6), and Artillery (4d6 or more). Probably nothing short of enchanted armor could withstand the force of Artillery, so we'll mostly ignore those.

Armor is either proofed or unproofed. Unproofed armor is basically no armor against firearms: you have to make a successful saving throw to avoid. Wands/Rays seems like a good choice. If you successfully save you "dodged the bullet", otherwise take full damage.

Proofed armor offers some protection. By the way, this is gonna use Ascending Armor Class. If you insist on using Descending Armor Class you're probably use to doing pointless math, so I'll let you figure it out yourself.

AC11 is unarmored, roll 11 or better to hit. That gives a regular ole human (1hd, AC11, +0 to hit) a 50/50 chance of hitting another regular ole unarmored human. That AC11 represents your ability to dodge an attack without bringing armor into the mix.

Thus, the first 10 points of AC are just you. If you want to apply Dex bonus to this base AC be my guest, but I don't.

Every point after that is your Armor. If a firearm attack (d20+Dex+Ranged bonus) beats the proofed AC, attack successfully penetrated the armor.

If the attack was at least 11 but less than the AC of the armor, it was stopped by the "proofing" or bullet-resistance of the armor, you only take half damage (roll damage, divide by 2).

If the attack was 10 or less it misses completely or deflects off the armor harmlessly.

Light armor is rarely proofed. Its main components are textile or leather. Maybe if the armor is Kevlar, or is woven with mythril thread it'll be bullet proofed.

Medium armor can be proofed, that's the steel cuirasse mentioned before.

Plate armor is ye old standby of proofed armor.


Another alternative is to have "proofed" armor simply deduct its armor bonus from the attack on a successful hit, so Proofed Light would reduce the incoming damage by 2, Medium by 4, and Plate by 6. Might be enough to save your ass.

Accuracy. I'm not gonna muck about with different accuracies for different firearms. Instead you can go look up the effective ranges for different firearms. If the attack is further than that it automatically misses. Don't forget that a lot of weapon accuracy for old weapons is typically assuming the weapon would be used in formation, like a firing squad, and shot towards a large surface, like an enemy battalion. Combat in d&d isn't like that, it's usually man-to-man skirmishes. So if some old ass rifle says it was effective up to 400 meters or some shit, I'd be skeptical. They probably mean it's capable of hitting a barn at 400 meters, not a little mustachoed goon picking his nose.


Reload time

We already touched on this before: 20 seconds for a trained musketeer to reload a familiar musket. That's roughly three 6-second combat rounds. Double or triple that for big guns, halve it for small guns like pistols.

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Saturday, May 18, 2024

ruislip dissected

lol I did all this work for nothing, Luke already posted his hexfilling procedures on his blog go look at them and use them they're wonderful





I dissected the Ruislip demo of Luke Gearing's Wolves upon the Coast game to see what I could learn. I like the way the keys are written. It feels to me like it could have been generated using dice and random tables from something like OD&D, then fleshed out. I'm kind of enamored with the idea of randomly generating hexmap content, then going back and forming connection and loose reasons for things to be, and adding unstable situations for players to mess with.

the Ruislip map has about 46 hexes. Of that 27 are keyed (58.6%), 19 are empty (41.3%)

There's 9 towns (19.5%), 13 lairs (28.26%), and 5 set pieces (10.8%).

I'm counting a town as a mostly friendly place the players will come back to for rest, quests, equipment, resources. Lairs are places that are inhabited by enemies. Usually this means monsters, but I've included a few pagan settlements where they're acting like jerks and probably gonna be violent to the PCs. One of the lairs could also be used as a monster town if the PCs play their cards right. Set pieces are the other things - interesting locations with something to interact with that may or may not have treasure.


  • You could get pretty close to those odds by by throwing a d6: 1 is a town, 2-3 is a lair, 4 is a set-piece, 5-6 is nothing (empty).


The Lairs are mostly one monster type. A few of them have 2 or 3 monster types. Some lairs have no treasure at all, but none of the sites have bullshit treasure (except the whale is a little bullshit, but it's a set-piece). None of the locations are really your typical dungeon delve where the players are crawling through a trap-infested pit, fighting different kinds of monsters and interacting with monster factions. The Orc and Goblin lairs come the closest to this, but those would be more heist-type or kill-em-all or deal-with-the-faction scenarios, not crawls. It's a classic 1975-style hexcrawl campaign, where the focus was on overland exploration and picaresque shenanigans Vs. traditional dungeon crawling.


of the 9 friendly human settlements 6 are villages (have less than 100 people) and 3 are towns (have people in the several hundreds). If you get a friendly settlement throw a d6, on 1-4 it's a village, 5-6 is a town.

It looks like village population was thrown on a d00 and town populations were d10x100.

Villages tended to have a higher combatant to villager ratio, around 24-30% of the population for each being soldiers.

Towns had comparatively smaller populations of combatants, about 12-15%, but they generally have fortifications.




Here's my notes on the hex keys:

02.05 Dunrick (set piece)
weird plant thing makes people sleep. turns them into wraiths


05.05 shoal (lair)
griffon nest, attacking griffon mama


01.16 burnt village (set piece)
a destroyed village with nothing


02.16 lair of sruthkin (lair)
dragon lair, treasure


03.07 ogre house (lair)
ogre lair, treasure


04.07 beached whale (set piece)
beached whale, some treasure


01.08 runestones (set piece)
fancy rocks with words


02.08 stamullen (town)
79 people, 15 skirmishers (18% combatants)
weird bee town with pagan influences. a situation to get involved in. a druid you could befriend and learn some spells from.


04.08 culemwardern (town)
600 houses, 40 footmen, 50 skirmishers, boats (15% combantants)
a situation involving griffons. druid influences, a few characters and their relationships


05.08 cloyne (town)
58 people, 19 skirmishers, 5 fishing boats (32% combatants)
pagan town, some situations


01.09 manticore cave (lair)
cool manticore lair and interesting situation, treasure


03.09 donenashoe (lair / monster town)
juggernaut, medusa, 198 goblins, some ruins and treasures.


05.09 belcarra (town / lair)
99 people, 80 footmen (80% combatants)
unpredictable pagan town


06.09 bitter druid (lair)
evil wizard lair, treasure


01.10 dorbog (town)
800 people, 50 armored foot, 50 skirmishers, boats (12% combatant)
some characters, leader, druids, situations, relations to other hexes, henchies


03.10 awoken king (lair)
mummy lair, a time-sensitive situation, treasure


05.10 stone circle (lair)
evil pagan wizard faction, spells and treasure to be had, a situation, a thread to some other hex and situation


06.10 pirates (lair)
pirates, a faction, some treasure


02.11 ogonnelloe (town)
80 people 24 skirmishers (24% combatant)
ruined fort, town, characters, a time-sensitive situation, a werewolf,


03.11 orc fort (lair)
80 orcs, orcs in vats, a fortification, treasure


01.12 st olham's monastary (town)
only monastary 96 monks, a faction, treasure, resource for PCs: sages / library


03.12 a dog (set piece)
cool a dog


05.12 blulach (town)
1000 people 20 armored foot 40 foot 60 skirmishers 20 horsemen boats (14% combatant)
fortification, market, alehouse, church, docks, characters with goals, relations to other hexes, quests, henchies, horse stables


06.12 barrows (lair)
ruined camp, hidden lair, wraith, zombies, treasure


02.13 nameless hemlet (lair)
abandoned town, merfolk, no treasure


04.13 gargoyles (lair)
gargoyles, no treasure, relations to other hexes


04.14 killucan (town)
43 people 5 foot 5 skirmishers 5 boats (23% combatant)
cattle town, fishing, a situation, relation to other hex, a mystery